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Keikan Ri

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Redirect to Boxing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Welterweight - no significant coverage in any sources apart from listings type sites, and the corresponding jawiki is similarly unsourced. Subject finished 17th in class in the 1936 Olympics. I therefore submit that the article does not meet WP:NSPORT in its own right, but a redirect to the competition page is appropriate. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Akash Nair

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Unsourced biography of a child actor, created in 2015 as a redirect to the sitcom Best of Luck Nikki, but which has had several unsourced article creation attempts made since then, which have been WP:BLAR'd each time. Nair had a named minor role in that series, and in the film Bhoot and Friends, so I would have expected to find more coverage of him in RS, but in English and Hindi (आकाश नायर) I can find only passing mentions. The rest is the usual social media, Fandom, etc. I propose to restore the redirect. Wikishovel (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Best of Luck Nikki: I am unable to find any reliable sources that provide significant coverage or even minimal details about the subject. The subject fails to meet WP:GNG, and since it is not listed in the cast of any notable film, it also fails to meet WP:NACTOR. I suggest redirecting this article as it was before and protecting it indefinitely to only allow edits from autoconfirmed or extended-confirmed users. GrabUp - Talk 15:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell Gornto

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST. Subject's page has false accomplishments listed throughout (actual 2012 US National Championship results here and 2013 here). Subject has never been named to a US Senior or Junior national team and was not a member of the 2014 Pacific Rim team (results here). Aside from being a gymnast at Michigan, which is not inherently notable, the entire profile is fake. GauchoDude (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincenzo Patrick Guglielmelli

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Delete - I could find no significant coverage whatsoever in any source, reliable or otherwise. Plenty of listings and stats sites, all of which are fairly scanty. Career highlight seems to have been one season at Ascoli when they were a Serie A club, during which the subject did not appear to have played any matches. I therefore submit that WP:NSPORT is not met, and note that the article has been practically unsourced since its inception. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Player with participation only in the Italian Serie C2, and without sources that establish WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quick and the dead

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The article consists of a dictionary definition, an etymology, and some mentions of its usage, pretty much all of which is original research. If there's any indication that this even counts as a standard phrase, it would do better as a Wiktionary entry. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Original research --Altenmann >talk 16:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as TNT of original research, but this is a potentially notable subject. The phrase gets a lot of coverage in research about the Book of Common Prayer and its language (eg [1]). I'm planning out an article called "Language in the Book of Common Prayer" (it will be largely framed by an OUP book of the same name by Stella Brook and OUP's Shakespeare's Common Prayers by Daniel Swift). This might be a good redirect to that article when the time comes. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, of all the idioms currently up for AfD, this one has a long history in English language culture. It's even got itself into philosophy of literature[2], as well as of course featuring in discussions such as [3] (a blog, but a blog by acknowledged experts, Patricia T. O'Conner and Stewart Kellerman). It goes way beyond dictionary-matter, and is socially significant enough to land firmly in an encyclopedia. If we're not careful, we'll have to bud out a sub-article list or disambig on usage of the phrase for books, academic articles, films, poems and music. Elemimele (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Elemimele, a simple reading of the article, and a WP:BEFORE search. Bearian (talk) 06:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the reliable sources identified in this discussion such as academic journals, and books imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - as with this nominator's other items recently at AfD, this is a topic that is certainly notable and not remotely a WP:DICDEF or WP:OR, as shown by sources out there in the world, which is the criterion. While the article looks poorly cited, it actually cites the King James Bible, Shakespeare, and the Prayer Book, somewhere between implicitly and explicitly (mainly without blue-numbered refs): but again, that isn't the AfD criterion. I'll have a go at tidying the article and citing it a bit better, as it deserves. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This archaic idiom is definitely encyclopedic and it's also notable. As for the referencing, Wikipedia allows the use of biblical sources so I don't see a problem there.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ArkTS

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCT. Rainsday (talk) 10:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I found sourcing to show that the subject meets WP: GNG. The subject receives in-depth coverage in two papers, published by separate groups of authors at Chinese universities. These papers appeared in ASE 2024, meaning that they are peer-reviewed and thus credible. Here are the papers: [1] [2] I do think this article has several issues, but they can be fixed without deleting the article, so I am inclined to keep it. HyperAccelerated (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I accidentally linked to the same paper twice. Here is the link to the other paper. Sorry about that. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep ~~I couldn't find two independent sources satisfying GNG.~~ (updated) there's a few sources likely passing GNG, but it's weak. User:HyperAccelerated - ~~is that~~ are those sources independent? There's not wide coverage yet, may be WP:TOOSOON. Nothing against draftifying. Widefox; talk 22:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC) Widefox; talk 21:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes -- do you have reason to believe they aren't? One paper is from a team of researchers at Southern University of Science and Technology and another from a team at Beihang University. There isn't anything in the Acknowledgement sections to indicate they got funding from Huawei (who developed ArkTS), and if there was substantial collaboration with Huawei I'd expect someone from Huawei to be on the author list. I suspect there's more coverage in Chinese, but I think that these papers are sufficient to establish notability anyway. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, corrected and updated my summary. Widefox; talk 21:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Two books, ^[1] is an introduction to the syntax of ArkTS, and ^[2] covers ArkTS on HarmonyOS 3.1. 内存溢出的猫 (talk) 11:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ 刘玥; 张荣超 (2024-07-01). 鸿蒙原生应用开发：ArkTS语言快速上手 [Developing Native Applications on HarmonyOS: A Quick Start with ArkTS Language]. 人民邮电出版社. ISBN 9787115642509.
^ Way Lau. 鸿蒙HarmonyOS应用开发入门 [Getting Started with HarmonyOS Application Development]. Tsinghua University Press. ISBN 9787115642509.

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2024 Kishtwar encounter

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As described here at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Akhnoor attack TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 13:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Bandipora attack

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List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete my rationale is same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan. Also, delete the other similar lists created by the same user: List of NJPW male wrestlers born outside Japan, List of WWE male wrestlers born outside the United States, List of WWE female wrestlers born outside the United States, and List of world champions in WWE born outside the United States. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Association of Local Government Archaeological Officers

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I haven't been able to find any significant coverage of this organisation in reliable third-party sources. – Joe (talk) 11:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Good grief: "ALGAO is the national body representing local government archaeological services on behalf of County, District, Unitary and National Park authorities. ALGAO co-ordinates the views of member authorities (110 in total) and presents them to government and to other national organisations. It also acts as an advisor to the Local Government Association on archaeological matters." Massively influential national body representing archaeology at every level of government in the UK. That's not notable? Do me a lemon! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may well be so, but has it translated to any usable sources? I came across this article because it's been unreferenced for thirteen years—one of the few remaining unreferenced archaeology articles left, by the way—and after some time searching I couldn't rectify that. I'm happy to be corrected but without sources we can't write an article, no matter how influential the subject. – Joe (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it may be a "massively influential national body" but where's the coverage? Google news comes up with 4 hits, 1st and 3rd being not indepth and 4th is a letter to a newspaper. There are plenty of google books hits but most seem 1 line mentions when I looked at the first few pages of results. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 05:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added sourcing to the article, one of the strongest cases of 'presumed notability' I've seen in a long while. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. However, you added nine references, and: [4] has just a single sentence stating what ALGAO is; [5], [6], [7], [8] are reports and publications of ALGAO itself; [9] is a press release about a report ALGAO produced; [10] and [11] offer passing mentions in the context of a manufactured "war on woke" story; and [12] doesn't mention the subject. So we still have no significant coverage in independent sources. Notability does appear to have been presumed for the last decade, but that presumption has so far proved wrong. – Joe (talk) 08:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Akhnoor attack

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Kashmir is often described as a warzone, with routine news events frequently occurring (#4). Events lacking historical significance (#1) and substantial national and international reactions (#2) are generally presumed non-notable under WP:EVENT. Also, article lacks WP:CASESTUDY. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Botapathri ambush

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2024 Baramulla attack

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2024 Ganderbal attack

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2024 Srinagar grenade attack

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Greenwich Leisure Limited

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It's not clear to me why this page exists or how or why it could ever be bought up to WP's standards.

**Source assessment table:**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.better.org.uk/our-values	It's the organisation's mission statement	It's the company's own marketing material	Lacks the objective overview required to meet the definition of significant	✘ No
https://www.better.org.uk/our-values	It's the company's website again	It's too close to the subject	Just a list. No prose.	✘ No
https://switchtheplay.com/news/switch-the-play-and-gll-national-news-release/	It says it's a press release	Press releases are put out by the organisation and are not subject to editorial oversight.	Lacks the critical insights and objectivity required for significant coverage.	✘ No
https://www.sportspro.com/insights/analysis/london-2012-olympics-venues-today-london-stadium-velodrome-aquatics-centre/	Appears to be published by a partner organisation	No discusson of the source's reliablity on RS	Article is about former Olympic venues, not Greenwich Leisure Limited	✘ No
http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1097435/	Press release aggregation site.	Little to no editorial oversight.	Appears to discus the company's rebrand but not the actual company or its history.	✘ No
https://www.andrewbibby.com/socialenterprise/greenwich-leisure.html	Bibbly is a journalist for hire	Published to journalist website without editorial oversight.	~ Some depth of coverage but it's akin to a press release and clearly primary	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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Antioch, Greene County, Indiana

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Very little to go by on this one, but the presence in GMaps of a now-defunct Antioch Church a short ways to the west suggest that this is a locale named after it (Antioch being a common part of church names. No sign anywhere of a town, however. Mangoe (talk) 13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kimberellomorpha

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Solza may just be a taphonomic variation of Kimberella, all others are from McMenamin and therefore are likely unfounded. Therefore, it’s a monotypic taxon. IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Kimberella, seems the grouping itself is accepted by some of researchers as looking on Google Scholar, but it is mostly monotypic. As I see it is not known when this grouping was established, probably need information for that. In the talk page article creator commented that they used ChatGPT to write the article, and current status is terrible. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 13:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be in full support of a merge. It seems to be an invention purely supported by McMenamin. The Morrison Man (talk) 14:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christophe Naudin

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WP:1E, WP:GNG, reads like a CV or like it's been edited by someone closely associated with the subject (theses men? no mention of prison sentence which is arguably the most important thing about him?). Toffeenix (talk) 12:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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History of rugby union matches between Italy and Georgia

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Not a notable rivalry or pairing Fram (talk) 12:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of basic settlement units in Brno

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This recently created list fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. It is an extremely detailed breakdown for specific purposes in a professional sphere, which goes beyond the scope of an encyclopedia. Other European metropolises do not have a list with such a breakdown (so Brno is very random in this context). Similar lists are not found on cswiki either. FromCzech (talk) 12:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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To be honest that's quite fair. I simply wanted to make a ranking of the basic settlement units by density and population since that's what I'm usually interested in, but if others agree for the deletion I am for it too. GreenWolfyVillager (talk) 13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

comment I have to say this is largely incomprehensible without a map. Mangoe (talk) 13:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kamil Białas

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think the topic meets the general notability guideline (WP:GNG).
I did a quick search and found this and this. (Two articles by Dziennik Polski, titled "Kamil Białas znów stanął na podium" and "Łyżwiarze nie mogą się rozwijać bez startów".) There's also a YouTube interview, here.
The Polish website says "Sorry, you have been blocked", so I don't think I should bother to read and search further. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Social media platforms are user-generated and should never be provided as references to articles. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dziennik Polski is a newspaper.
Or are talking about YouTube? If it is an official account of a respected media brand or journalist, then it can be used. (As any other documentary or reportage.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking about YouTube. Even if the source comes from an official account of a media brand, social media can't be used anywhere as they are user-generated sites, thus generally unreliable per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and WP:SELFPUB. Social media as references also don't demonstrate the article's notability. Otherwise, I thought we only used reliable secondary sources... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you actually read the pages you are linking?
· WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK is completely unrelated to this discussion.
· WP:SELFPUB actually says the opposite of what you are saying: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information [about themselves]". --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btw I don't understand why are are attacking me. :-) When I posted my first comment on this page, I didn't see the previous discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas) where you voted "weak keep" and showed exactly the same sources I found. You should better say something to the nominator. Who nominated this article twice with exactly the same rationale. I don't know about the English Wikipedia, but on some other Wikipedias (in some other languages, like Russian, for example) it is explicitly forbidden to nominate an article again for the same reason. (It is done as a measure against those who are obsessed and would otherwise nominate the same article again and again even after they have been told it can stay. They do it in hope that their opponents will get bored or will simply not notice a new nomination.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This page seems to be entirely irrelevant and has minimal sources to back up details about its existence. Last edits adding actual content was in the mid 2010s, proving its irrelevancy. This is my first actual AfD, so pardon me if I am mistaken, but fixing the article up seems unfruitful. --~eticangaaa (talk) 12:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sanjay Kumar Verma

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This article is clearly not ready for mainspace but a new user has now move-warred to keep it in mainspace from draft.

Sourcing in the article is inadequate for a BLP and are mostly primary sources. Better to continue to incubate in draft, if not delete outright per the last AfD's consensus. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" _(hihi) 11:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The last version of the article by the creator stated he was born in Kerala before another user changed it to Bihar without adding a source on the matter.[13] ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" _(hihi) 11:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there!I was the new user that "move-warred" to keep this article in mainspace. This article is based on the article for Escott Reid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escott_Reid, however it contains more sources.

All sources are vetted and from the Indian government (2 articles), neutral sources (1 article) or press (2 articles).

Beyond the article,

I moved the page to article, ghostofdangurrey moved it to draft, I removed an uncited sentence and moved it to article (which I assumed was the best way to work based on the details from the help articles). While I understand if there is room for improvement, gatekeeping editing and using words like move-warred (when I apologized for moving it following a comment), is an interesting way to moderate. Researchmoreorless (talk) 12:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As the only thing to change since the last AfD is something that would fall under WP:BLP1E. Simonm223 (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wilson's Cave

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Links in ref's are broken, and all the info is sourced from the one referenced book. That book list many, many caves, and inclusion does not make this one notable. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep See [14] Page 18 and [15] page 276: "a site of major archaeological significance". The cave contained mammoth bones, implements, Neolithic ware and bronze rings from 600 BC. Or possibly redirect to Gorham's Cave. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second is a clear passing mention, first has some merit. The mere presence of bones doesn't make something notable, and this is passing converage.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 17:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is some confusion with Gorham's Cave. If they are the same, redirect. Otherwise, first ref and existing refs is enough to keep. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of cinemas in Estonia

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Poorly sourced and fails WP:NLIST. The Estonian language version of this article has more entries but also poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only three entries and one notable entry is not a list. Ajf773 (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ajf773@LibStar: has good potential to grow per e.g. etwiki list. Some references and info are also added Estopedist1 (talk) 12:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. 46 blue links (ie 46 potential entries...) on the Estonian page, that is an indication that should be noted and that is at least promising. And there is also a list dedicated to those of Tallinn only (in Estonian). Mushy Yank (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Fails WP:NOTDIR and is only manageable because of the country's relatively small size. Mangoe (talk) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with LibStar and Mangoe, fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIR. If it had more links and sources, then it might be passable, but it is not acceptable under it's current condition.

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Keep: Poorly sourced, yes: cleanup issue. Fails NLIST? no, meets NLIST as the topic as a set has received coverage. (Thomson, C. (2007). Estonia - Culture Smart! The Essential Guide to Customs & Culture. Kuperard. for example or Noble, J., Williams, N., Gauldie, R. (1997). Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania(Keeling): Lonely Planet, p. 147, for a start) At least a redirect and merge to Cinema of Estonia seems warranted to preserve history. The topic would seem to be perfectly encyclopaedic, though.... Mushy Yank (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and how precisely and exactly is that list supposed to fall under NOTDIR? Mushy Yank (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears that the list topic has been discussed as a set in RS. That is all we need to prove WP:NLIST. Further, I don't think this list falls under any of the six criteria of WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and those saying it does haven't actually discussed or connected the list to any one of the six standards for making that judgement. It's not a convincing argument as the list has a clearly defined scope that is relevant to the Cinema of Estonia. It's not a simple listing because of the RS coverage, and given that Estonian language films get played pretty much only in theaters in Estonia and the small geographic area its reasonable to list theaters in a single page for topical reasons. It's therefore not a "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics" or a "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorization", or a "A resource for conducting business", or a "Genealogical entry", or an "Electronic program guides".4meter4 (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Too small for a whole article. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to Cinema of Estonia until it is expanded. The references added to the article show it passes WP:NLIST in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. Could use with some expansion though. ExRat (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Cinema of Estonia: The sources provided to "pass WP:NLIST" in my eyes are far from that, and are in fact WP:ROUTINE. Noble, J., Williams, N., Gauldie, R. (1997). Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania (Keeling): Lonely Planet, p. 147 is a paragraph giving phone numbers, email addresses and addresses of some cinemas, with no meaningful analysis or commentary on the set (7 words!) or even claim of exhaustivity. I don't have access to the other source identified, but the same author three years prior wrote a guide book for Tallinn (note the later book was for Estonia as a whole) Thomson, C. (2004). Tallinn (Footprint), p.177 which is similarly not discussing cinemas in Estonia as a set (or in Tallinn). There is a very brief recap of cinema in Estonia, then a paragraph explicitly claiming to only list the main 3 locations and one arthouse cinema, with a fair share of the paragraph being used for the cinemas' names, address, phone number and location on the map provided with the book. If the content in her later book is significantly different, I feel the onus is on the people claiming it meets NLIST to explain how so at this point.
Other "List of X in (Country)" articles have been kept when they are useful to help with navigating pages which pass GNG on their own (e.g., List of golf courses in Canada) but generally only when they need to be separated from the main topic due to length. Cinema of Estonia is not at that point, and having a short list at some point in the article of notable cinemas would be relevant (I see that the article is already illustrated by a photo of an Estonian cinema!). Shazback (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battles for Gornje Kolibe

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This skirmish was a very small part of Operation Corridor 92, for which we already have a Good Article which doesn't even mention this event due to its very minor nature. The village of Gornje Kolibe is mentioned once in the second volume of the comprehensive CIA history of the 90s wars in the Balkans, "Balkan Battlegrounds", but only briefly in the context of Operation Corridor 92, and none of the detail of this fighting is even mentioned. Non-notable firefight, appears to have been created effectively as a memorial page to those who fought there. Events from 30 years ago in this war have been examined in considerable detail in academic standard publications, so I have deleted the various local/town/regional news portals, many of which are dubious and/or biased and have no real editorial process (and therefore not reliable), and what is left (cited) is pretty much nothing. One of numerous highly marginally notable articles recently created by a series of now blocked socks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should say that the other (none news portal) sources I removed were writings of former VRS officers, including at least two whom were directly involved in Operation Corridor 92, so hardly independent of the subject. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. @Peacemaker67 would a possible WP:ATD be a selective merge to the the village of Gornje Kolibe? We have practically no content on the village and this would seem to be a pertinent event to the history of that village? Obviously any unverified content shouldn't be moved over.4meter4 (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Gornje Kolibe per 4meter4. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandermcnabb The town doesn't currently mention the event. We can only redirect to articles where the topic is addressed; hence the need to make this a "selective merge". Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
very limited material to selectively merge, but yes. I would also add a sentence to the Operation Corridor 92 article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 12:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Gornje Kolibe or Operation Corridor 92 if possible. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Death of Gursimran Kaur

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A sad story, but has no evidence of WP:SUSTAINED notability (one local follow-up story after the initial wider range of news reports). Fails WP:NOTNEWS. Fram (talk) 08:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. It's sad but there are several isolated industrial incidents such as this. She was not notable before her death and her death has not received sustained coverage or forced significant reform to be eligible for an entry. Mekomo (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: a notable article and well-cited and I agree with @Zachary Klaas This is a national and international story about work conditions leading to a burning death in an oven. QalasQalas (talk) 19:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It's disturbing this is even being debated. Nation-wide story in Canada. Reported on by CNN. That's enough for notability. It's also hard for "significant reform" to be forced if Wikipedia erases its entry on said nation-wide and international story. Zachary Klaas (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Times Of India is following this as well. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/us-canada-news/no-foul-play-in-death-of-gursimran-kaur-walmart-employee-found-in-oven-canadian-police/articleshow/115433459.cms - why do you suppose this story about an Indo-Canadian might have been of interest to people in India? Saying the story is not notable suggests certain groups of people are not notable for their interest in the story. (Trying to say that with as much assumption of good will as possible.)

People also picked up the story. https://people.com/walmart-employees-family-traumatized-after-body-mysteriously-found-in-walk-in-oven-8737147 Being in that magazine is usually considered a slam dunk for what's considered "notable". Why not in this case?

There's also an indication that South Asian immigrants in Canada continue to follow the story - a news story from two days ago says the family is retaining legal representation and that the Maritime Sikh Society is "deeply upset" by the recent police findings. https://desibuzzcanada.com/post/police-say-no-foul-play-suspected-in-indo-canadian-woman-who-died-in-walmart-oven

Comment I have removed three sources from the article. Two were unreliable or deprecated per WP:RSP. One was about a completely unrelated subject. I have not yet analyzed notability more generally. Toadspike [Talk] 09:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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School of Petroleum Technology

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University department and/or constitute college of Pandit Deendayal Energy University. Has been renamed to School of Energy Technology in line with the university's renaming since 2021. Not notable enough online nor offline for a separate article. CptViraj (talk) 09:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gupi

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Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Most sources also only link to the artist's own website or Apple Music FMSky (talk) 08:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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EDIT: PLEASE DELETE. JUST SAW I ALREADY NOMINATED THIS ONCE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FMSky (talk • contribs) 08:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above request was about an accidental repeat in the transclusion process, which has been fixed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Many sources exist about this artist, such as here, here, here, here and here. The article itself cites many of these sources. Passes WP:MUSICBIO at least to me. Beachweak (talk) 10:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Keep - I voted "Weak Delete" in the last AfD about 18 months ago due to Gupi having some introductory media coverage though much of it was in the form of listcicles (e.g. one out of many new Pride musicians) or brief mentions in articles about someone else. Since then the situation for Gupi has improved a bit with some album reviews and feature stories on the Food House project, as found by the above voter. I still think some more truly dedicated coverage would help but there may be enough for a stub article. The current version is too dependent on unreliable sources but those can be removed through the editing process. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chef RPG

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Referenced only two primary sources from YouTube and a web store. Before search did not present anything that makes this game notable for an entry here Mekomo (talk) 08:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete It got a substantive mention in Rock Paper Shotgun. While it got mentions in Softonic, and a preview in RPGFan, these mostly have a purely descriptive feel to them without much opinions. I think it falls short of the bar for actual critical analysis. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Up Above Records

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nn music records label --Altenmann >talk 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Altruist

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Does not appear to meet WP:NFILM. No wide release; page for Mick McCleery was successfully AfD'd in January 2019. Previously PROD'd by Another Believer but was dePROD'd on grounds of WP:NEXIST. Having done a search, I don't believe they do. Kazamzam (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I found some local coverage, which is nice but not really the strongest possible source since local papers are more likely to cover local people. There's mention of it screening at a film festival in 2011 and winning an award, but it's not really a major film festival from what I can see so that's not really usable either. Finally, it looks like there are two critic reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, but I'm not sure how usable either really are. One of them doesn't seem to be running anymore, as when I click on the link on RT it takes me to a spam site. It's overall pretty weak sauce at best. This very technically meets notability guidelines by way of the film festivals and smattering of coverage, but in my opinion it also fails it pretty solidly at the same time. I would say that it would be good to identify what film festivals would qualify under NFILM, but that would be kind of hard to pin down. For example, one could argue that we only use notable film festivals - however that would exclude those screenings and mini-festivals held by very notable and major institutions. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Upper All's Well Cave

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Clearly nonotable. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The content and image are worth keeping if minimal; I think these should be merged to some larger article in my opinion. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What should be the merge target?

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Diana Plotkin

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Refs are either blank or passing mentions.No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years. scope_creep^Talk 07:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The activist falls bellow GNG and WP:SIGCOV as she received single mentions in almost all sources reviewed, though a few behind paywall which could be assessed. The number of trivial mentions also fall short of WP:NBASIC. Mekomo (talk) 13:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Trivial mentions only, lacking in-depth and significant coverage. AusLondonder (talk) 14:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Beverly Wilshire Homes Association, as I suggested when I deprodded this one, as it seems her notability lies with this group. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a also a WP:BLP, and there is no sufficient secondary coverge to pass WP:SIGCOV which was the primary reason it was on the cat:nn list. All these references are passing mentions and not really about her. Any BLP needs high quality WP:SECONDARY source to establish notability, not passing mentions. It states it in the open line of the policy "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". Even for a small merge, there must be something. scope_creep^Talk 07:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing significant to merge, anyway. AusLondonder (talk) 12:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She has already mentioned quite heavily already in that article. Plotkin seems to have been the president since the 1980's, so the name isn't going to be lost. Possibly a redirect and merge the last sentence since the rest seem to be mentioned already? I notice that sentence is detailed already in the destination article. In fact, the whole article is there. scope_creep^Talk 13:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any policy reason why we can't have a redirect for Plotkin to Beverly Wilshire Homes Association and use any distinct sources provided for Plotkin to improve the Beverly Wilshire Homes Association article. Basically that is what I meant by merge. Perhaps I should have said "slim merge" to indicate this more clearly. I think the only thing we are disagreeing on is whether to retain the redirect, and I see no policy reason not to. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lucas Hunt

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Unable to locate any books reviews. Fails WP:NAUTHOR. Unable to find an reliable coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years and never been updated scope_creep^Talk 07:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: One article here, but it keeps timing out [16], still not enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I deprodded this, but on further investigation it looks like it has been written by a combination of SPA/IP/the subject. There's a profile in NYT (Cohen, Joyce. Away From the Hammer and Quiet Enough for Poetry: He had been thinking Brooklyn, but he found what he wanted in Queens. New York Times. 8/13/2017, Vol. 166 Issue 57688, p4), which looks to be in the property section and doesn't address his poetry more than in passing; also a Proquest copy of the article Oaktree b mentions above (Hamlet, Isaac. Iowa poet goes from pigs to pearls. Press - Citizen Iowa City, Iowa. 10 Aug 2019: A.2.); I also found one sort-of-review piece quoting him with brief bio material (Working Out What to Do in the Hamptons This Summer? Tauer, Kristen, Nordstrom, Leigh, Wally, Maxine, Women's Wear Daily (May 24, 2019): 17). Not found much else on Ebsco/Proquest that isn't just him as an agent/editor. Poetry collections are notoriously sparsely reviewed and awards are often more important in this area, but I'm not familiar with the US minor poetry awards. With three different bits of press, plus the review in the article, and the award, I'd generally be leaning keep, but in view of the promotional history here, I'm undecided, willing to be persuaded either way. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I normally try and keep poets and poetry articles if I can as I believe they exhibit the height of human creativity and expression, living a life in a garret and suffering to express, that all denote notability even if only spoken off. Choosing that life is an aspect as well, which is important. However it is a BLP and there must be something there. The award has been given to few very famous individuals but didn't see him listed either on Wikipedia article or the actual site and couldn't find any other Steinback award for poetry. There is a fiction award, and a fellowship award but couldn't identify him. That was reason I sent up to Afd and didn't think he was notable and still don't. scope_creep^Talk 11:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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St. Luke's Boys' High School

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the article has no live references and has been lacking citations since 2016.

I could only find some facebook groups and UK charity webpage about the school. 1keyhole (talk) 06:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. If you could only find Facebook groups and a charity webpage, then you didn't click the {{find sources AFD}} links at the top of this AFD page. Also, the school changed names a few years ago, so you have to search again under the old name, e.g., this link to Google News, which will give you news articles saying things like MP Didmus Wekesa Barasa is an alumnus[17] and another saying who the school's (current? recent?) principal is.[18]. A building burned down.[19] It is officially designated as an extra county school (formerly, 'provincial'), which is an important thing in Kenya but not something that I'd expect an American to know about.[20] There are more, but I think this suffices to show that there nom's WP:BEFORE search was inadequate. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (weakly) - The page needs cleanup of course, but that is outside the remit of AfD. The sourcing I have found is mostly news sources and writing articles from primary news reporting is problematic, and, indeed, such sources do not meet GNG, so there is an element of IAR about this !vote. However it is clear that it is a well established and somewhat prestigious school that generates sustained interest. There is enough information to significantly improve what we have, and to verify much detail. What is lacking is a good history of the school, but there is a systematic bias in Wikipedia towards schools in locales such as the US, where sourcing is more readily available online. Proceeding with caution from the news reporting is possible here. Note that in addition to the other names, multiple sources call the school St. Luke's Kimilili Boy's High School. E.g [21] and [22], although their YouTube channel favours St Luke's Boy's High School-Kimilili [23]. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: On November 27, InternetArchiveBot (talk · contribs) rescued 3 sources in this article. If references in an article are broken, it is always a good idea to run InternetArchiveBot to try to rescue the broken links. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC) Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Music Group

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Fails NCORP. WP:BEFORE turns up nothing more substantial than the references already used, most of which are a) listings or b) no longer accessible. (The exception is XXL, which is a Q&A with Nyzzy Nyce, who founded Hurricane Music Group. The Nyzzy Nyce article was (soft) deleted in 2022.) JSFarman (talk) 04:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I was completely sideswiped by source1 - the Indiana Secretary of State? Why? What? How? I still don't get the connection. The usual discogs/social stuff out there, nothing to demonstrate notability. Fails WP:GNG even before we get to NCORP. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Duck Down Music Inc. per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 01:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I love WP:ATD in theory but I can't find any evidence of their affiliation beyond a few songs credoted to Hurricane Music Group/Duck Down. I couldn't find Hurricane Music Group on the Duck Down website, and Discogs (which I know is not a great source) only lists two releases and both are by the same artist. There is no entry on Allmusic. JSFarman (talk) 19:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valid - this artist was under a distro deal with duck down / 3d and made national headlines for blogs and has millions of view due to the joint venture for indiana that’s a staple !! do not remove this !! Guiltytalent (talk) 02:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC) Adding comment from Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Hurricane Music Group. (JSFarman (talk) 03:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Two contributions to Wikipedia, the first reverted and the second being the above. Hmm. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sumarr and Vetr

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Article cites five sources. Four of them are just different translations of the Edda (the primary source work that the two beings come from), which the article SYNTHs together into a loose historiography. The fifth is a dictionary that the article uses to translate the article title to "Summer and Winter". I can't access foreign-language sources, but I don't see anything that could reasonably count as SIGCOV in a secondary independent source, so... seems like a GNG fail to me as written. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No and learn the basics before even nominating something like this. This is just embarrassing. First of all, this article discusses two items, the Prose Edda and the Poetic Edda, which are themselves compilations of earlier traditional works. They are not at all the same sources. The dictionary, Orchard's, is a handbook, not a list of words and definitions. There's nothing even approaching WP:SYNTH on this article. Second, as with just about anything in the eddic corpus, there's a mountain of secondary and tertiary discussion about these figures. There's a lot to do on Wikipedia and attempting to delete well-sourced and well-written articles on topics you clearly don't understand the first thing about isn't one of them. Yeesh. :bloodofox: (talk) 09:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so what you're saying is that the article is various recaps of the Poetic Edda and Prose Edda, cited to various translations of the Poetic Edda and Prose Edda. There's only one sentence that isn't just story summary, at the bottom of the Poetic Edda section. Doesn't sound like "a mountain of secondary or tertiary discussion" to me. Are there any secondary sources that meaningfully discuss Sumarr and Vetr at length? If there are, I would love for the article to be expanded with useful content. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete This is pure primary source analysis. Mangoe (talk) 13:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Seasons in the Literatures of the Medieval North, p. 39-42 seems to have quite a bit to say on those. Forecast - A Diary of the Lost Seasons, p. 79, is much shorter but seems non-trivial with its observation that Old Norse only recognized two seasons, sumarr and vetr, associated with life and death. Die Symbolik der Himmelsrichtungen, Jahreszeiten und Jahresfeste, p. 136, 155, has pretty similar content than both and falls inbetween lengthwise. With the limited preview there I don't quite get where the extended quotations(?) on the subject come from, though. Daranios (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Avengers: The Initiative characters

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Fails WP:NOTPLOT lacking any sources besides primary ones. A pure plot summary list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trucks and Bus Company

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Fails WP:NCORP. I noticed this was nominated over 10 years ago with a decision to keep. However those sources fail WP:SIRS as they are not in-depth. The criteria for companies are much more stringent now. Imcdc Contact 06:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG.4meter4 (talk) 01:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Lacks WP:SIGCOV and lacks inherent notability as per WP:ORGSIG. Beachweak (talk) 10:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seonghwa

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR, WP:NSINGER, and WP:BANDMEMBER showing lack of significant coverage from independent reliable sources for individual notability other than passing mention for Ateez-related reportings and/or mentioned in conjuction with Ateez. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. SnowKang (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pump Aid

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An article based on 2 sources. There's 9 google news hits but on closer inspection most of these are not WP:SIGCOV that would meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steffen Gebhardt

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Unnotable. A ton of bricks 05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mathangi Ajithkumar

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This playback singer fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NMUSIC. Coverage is unreliable non-bylined WP:NEWSORGINDIA sources (example), trivial mentions (example), and/or tabloid coverage disallowed for notability per WP:SBST (example). Nothing qualifying turned up in WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 05:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sophie Moleta

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. I found this article because Moleta redirects here and I wanted to determine whether it should be a disambiguation or if Moleta (kgosi) should be the main subject. Searching suggests this is a run-of-the-mill musician. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep -- there are four sources fully cited in this article talking about her. They appear to be reliable, secondary, and independent sources; the two I've managed to access myself provide significant coverage and I assume the others do as well, particularly the news article in The West Australian with her name in it. That's three GNG-qualifying sources right there. Quoting, GNG is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." -- just because the sources in the article were not linked does not mean they do not exist. Whether a person seems "run-of-the-mill" is irrelevant as long as they pass GNG; and if you read the news articles which were cited in the article at the time of the nomination she does have a somewhat interesting style.

I would make this a strong keep if I could track down the URL for the West Australian article, but I can't currently. Probably searches are failing because the news source does not keep archives from 2001. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relatedly I think it will likely need to be a disambiguation page -- the kgosi while arguably more historically significant is likely much more obscure. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Severity Index

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This is a scale that has only been proposed and used by one private company to compete with the indexes that the National Weather Service uses. It is not significantly covered by the National Weather Service, any of its subsidiaries, nor any major, reliable sources that are independent of the subject, failing WP:GNG. Additionally, the sources which are cited in providing information for the index have not been updated since 2008, and were created by the company that developed the scale. Since the subject of this article has such limited coverage and only sources from the developers of the scales are cited, I believe that this article should be deleted. ChrisWx ☁️ (talk - contribs) 03:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have also started a related deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_2#Template:Most_intense_landfalling_Atlantic_hurricanes_(HSI). ChrisWx ☁️ (talk - contribs) 04:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Tropical cyclone scales: I've searched Google Books, Google Scholars, and Google and have been unable to find significant coverage. But, it does appear to be regularly mentioned in reliable sources when listing recent attempts at finding better methods of hurricane classification. See:

Absent more thorough coverage Wikipedia should probably cover this scale similarly to how reliable sources do. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Falls WP:GNG. ~🌀 Ampil ^{「💬 / 📝」} 13:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas, Indiana

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Another rail point/post office elevated to a village by Baker. The facts on the ground and on maps aren't as ironclad on this one, but there is a lack of positive evidence beyond Baker's statement. Mangoe (talk) 03:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I'm pretty sceptical when the only evidence that this place was ever a community is the single word "village" used in a one-paragraph description. Particularly when no incorporation ever happened, to be platted means that plans for a town at the location were filed, but that does not mean those plans were ever necessarily realised. The fact that the two names for this place (Maxams, Douglas) were simply the name of the post master during their period strongly suggests that this was only ever a post office - that is, not a community, but a single building or store. If an ATD is needed a redirect/merge to Center Township, Gibson County, Indiana can be done, but the reality is the only verifiable information that can be merged there is the name of the post master, which is surely not WP:DUE. FOARP (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non notable location, no information found, and there is nothing in the article to merge (except that there was a rural post office for 14 years...who cares.) WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alabama Spirit

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Redirect to List of National Premier Soccer League teams as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 03:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Svartner (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Browns Mill, Virginia

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Insignificant locality in Fairfax County, Virginia. WP:BEFORE yields only SEO junk and results for the eponymous road. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nothing found except passing mentions of a Browns Mill Junction; nothing suggesting this was a community. Whatever this was, it's been bulldozed under suburban sprawl, so it doesn't make much sense to talk about it in the present tense. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colchester Hunt, Virginia

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Unsourced article for an insignificant residential subdivision in Fairfax County, Virginia. WP:BEFORE yields nothing aside from real estate websites and local Facebook group on Google and nothing useful at all from ["Colchester Hunt, Virginia" site:newspapers.com searching Newspapers.com].

I am also nominating the following articles for the same reasons, being that they are insignificant residential subdivisions:

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DELOSYS

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Declined G11. Mildly promotional article on a Slovak fire-control system. Article only includes one source, which appears to be primary, and reliable sources are clearly lacking. No evidence that this warrants a standalone article. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Konštrukta – Defence, the producer of this system, as an AtD. Agree that it doesn't warrant a standalone article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia)

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Non-notable political party. I was able to find very little independent sources online, and headlines like this aren't exactly promising. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Selective merge/ redirect to List of political parties in Namibia which is currently missing this party. It's a registered party and should be included in that list, but that's about it. It opted out of the most recent election. May be notable at some point, but as of now there is no WP:SIGCOV. See [24], [25], 4meter4 (talk) 16:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Plooy

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Declined prod. Based on a primary source. A search for sources yielded non-independent darts media. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Murdocks

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There's reliable coverage from The Austin Chronicle, including this EP review, but most of it is very brief concert announcements. Outside of that, I couldn't find anything of value. Seems the band was prominent locally but never broke through outside of their city. It's at least a step above GARAGEBAND, but I still don't think it's enough. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yin-yang-style baguazhang

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Revirvlkodlaku, what did you think of the existing sources? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@Liz, I'm not sure what there is to think. There are two hyperlinks, both of which are of Chinese text, and the rest are books. It's not clear to me how anyone can easily verify the content, but more importantly, this still seems like a rather small and obscure school of martial arts, and I don't think it warrants its own article. I think the topic should perhaps be redirected to Baguazhang. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Ai, Hu 艾虎 (2013). "田氏阴阳八卦掌探源及发展" [The Origin and Development of Tian's Yin-Yang Baguazhang]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "阴阳八卦掌，明末清初时，早在四川峨嵋山与青城山一带，碧云、静云两位道长所传。由田氏远祖田如銨始习阴阳八卦掌。在反清复明特殊的历史背景，阴阳八卦掌只在田氏族中秘密传承。传承序为鹏、利、富、海、山、回、克、子、金、川。"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was passed down by Taoist priests Biyun and Jingyun in the Emei Mountain and Qingcheng Mountain area of Sichuan in the late Ming and early Qing dynasties. Tian Ruquan, the distant ancestor of the Tian family, began to practice Yin-Yang Bagua Palm. In the special historical background of the anti-Qing and restoration of the Ming Dynasty, Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was only secretly passed down in the Tian family. The order of inheritance is Peng, Li, Fu, Hai, Shan, Hui, Ke, Zi, Jin, and Chuan."
  The article notes: "为弘扬中华武术，田迴先生于上世纪60年代将祖传阴阳八卦掌始传外姓，1990年9月田迴所著《阴阳八卦掌·蟒形掌》一书由人民体育出版社出版，并列为中国武术协会审定的《中国武术文库》“拳械部”所属的“拳术类”，后又作为经典，被选录入《中国武术百科全书》和《中国武术拳械录》。"
  From Google Translate: "In order to promote Chinese martial arts, Mr. Tian Hui passed down the ancestral Yin-Yang Baguazhang to foreign surnames in the 1960s. In September 1990, Tian Hui's book "Yin-Yang Baguazhang·Python-Shaped Palm" was published by People's Sports Publishing House and listed as The "Boxing Category" belonging to the "Boxing Department" of the "Chinese Martial Arts Library" approved by the Chinese Wushu Association was later selected as a classic and included in the "Chinese Martial Arts Encyclopedia" and "Chinese Martial Arts Boxing and Weapons Record"." The book from Tian Hui:
  - Tian, Hui 田迴 (1995). 陰陽八卦掌 : 蟒形掌 [Yin Yang Baguazhang: Python-Shaped Palm] (in Chinese). People's Sports Publishing House [zh]. ISBN 978-7-5009-0508-0. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
2. 天津通志: 体育志 [Tianjin General History: Sports History] (in Chinese). Tianjin: Tianjin Academy of Social Sciences Press 天津社会科学院出版社. 1994. p. 71. ISBN 978-7-8056-3498-2. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "芦忠仁(正文)近年献艺整理出版了《阴阳八盘掌》一书。阴阳八盘掌最显著的特点是,它的走转行动毫不停息,手法腿法步法身法变化多端,姿势时正时斜,时转时翻,时起时伏,并且各个动作组织严密,技法纵横游击,左右盘旋,大有冲锋陷阵威力。演练时,给人以强烈的艺术感和实战感。其器械套路较多,这里只记“八盘刀”、“八第一篇传统体育"
  From Google Translate: "In recent years, Lu Zhongren (text) compiled and published the book "Yin Yang Ba Pan Zhang". The most striking feature of Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm is that it moves around without stopping, its hand, leg, footwork and body movements are ever-changing, its postures are upright and diagonal, turning and turning, rising and falling, and each movement is tightly organized. , the technique is vertical and horizontal guerrilla, circling left and right, and has great charging power. During the drill, it gives people a strong sense of art and practicality. There are many equipment routines, here we only remember the "Ba Pan Knife", "Eight Pan Knife" and "Eight Pan Knife". The first traditional sports"
  The book notes: "阴阳八盘掌在清代也称“阴阳八卦掌”。此拳强调“八盘” (指人体的八个部位)的锻炼。因传授的人不同而变得多种多样。但在董海川以后,尹福和程廷华传授是主流。李振清前期弟子萧海波( 1863——1954 ) ,将此拳从民间传入清朝王府。萧的传人芦忠仁在津门潜心钻研,并向下传续了此拳,另有人称“醉鬼张三”的张长祯,与萧交往很密切,对萧述及所学的“内八卦'乾字门'拳法” (即此拳一支)"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Baguazhang was also called "Yin-Yang Baguazhang" in the Qing Dynasty. This boxing emphasizes the exercise of "eight pans" (referring to the eight parts of the human body). It varies depending on who teaches it. But after Dong Haichuan, Professors Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua became the mainstream. Xiao Haibo (1863-1954), a former disciple of Li Zhenqing, introduced this boxing from the people to the royal family of the Qing Dynasty. Lu Zhongren, Xiao's descendant, devoted himself to studying in Jinmen and passed on this boxing to the next generation. Zhang Changzhen, also known as "Drunkard Zhang San", had a close relationship with Xiao and told Xiao about the "Nei Bagua" Qianzi he had learned. "Men'quanfa" (that is, this fist)."
3. Liu, Jun-xiang 刘峻骧 (1996). 东方人体文化 [Oriental Human Body Culture] (in Chinese). Shanghai: Shanghai Literature & Art Publishing House [zh]. pp. 107, 109, 115. ISBN 978-7-5321-1488-7. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The book notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》则以蟒形学为首,顺序是按后天八卦图的排列,分别狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌等。但不管哪一派,都讲八方、八位、八掌型。其掌型分别为仰,俯,竖、抱、劈、撩、穿、挑。"
4. Hao, Xinlian 郝心莲 (1998). 中国武术百科全书 [Encyclopedia of Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). Beijing: Encyclopedia of China Publishing House. p. 518. ISBN 978-7-5000-6087-1. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》《中华武术文库·拳械部·拳术类》之一。田廻著。中国武术协会审定。 1990 年 9 月人民体育出版社出版。全书共分上下两篇, 8 册。上篇总论,主要介绍了阴阳八卦掌的源流、内容、特点、练习步骤、阴阳论等;下篇讲述蟒形掌等一至八掌的掌势套路练法和技击作用。第 1 册蟒形掌,第 2 ~ 8 册依次为狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌。... 它与董海川所传八卦掌不同,实为八卦掌另一流派。该书材料翔实,图文并茂,文字简练,通俗易懂,便于自学,利于查阅。"
  From Google Translate: "The Yin-Yang Bagua Palm is based on the python form, and the order is arranged according to the post-natal Bagua diagram, including lion-shaped palm, tiger-shaped palm, bear-shaped palm, snake-shaped palm, horse-shaped palm, monkey-shaped palm, roc-shaped palm, etc. But no matter which school it is, they all talk about eight directions, eight positions, and eight palm forms. The palm forms are upward, downward, vertical, hugging, chopping, lifting, piercing, and picking."
5. Ren, Zhicheng 任致诚 (2001). 阴阳八盘掌 [Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm]. Jiaolong Library Ancient Boxing Manual Series 矫龙文库古拳谱丛书 (in Chinese). Vol. 2. Shanxi: Shanxi Science and Technology Press [zh]. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
6. Tian, Keyan 田克延 (2005). "阴阳八卦掌基础套路八卦阴阳鱼" [Yin-Yang Bagua Palm Basic Routine: Bagua Yin-Yang Fish]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). No. 9. pp. 54–57. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via CQVIP [zh].
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yin-yang-style baguazhang (simplified Chinese: 阴阳八卦掌; traditional Chinese: 陰陽八卦掌) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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